Geneza 08 – A Doua Creatiune

15 Responses to Geneza 08 – A Doua Creatiune

1. ianis says:

   8 septembrie 2010 la 07:03

   Edi
   marturisesc ca asteptam de mult o tema in care sa abordezi Geneza 1 si 2. Polihronu scrisese cateva articole foarte bune aici, aici si aici. Am speranta ca macar pe forum, daca nu in prezentare, se va continua discutia pornind de la sursele celor 2 creatii.

   Am facut un experiment (amuzant). Am intrebat un Rabbi evreu http://www.asktherabbi.org

   Hello
   I want to know more about Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. It seems that we have two story of creation and two different and opposite scenario.
   Genesis 1 plants and animals appears suddenly, at the word of God
   Genesis 2 animals are made by the hand of God, like Adam

   Genesis 1 Man is the last in the order of creation
   Genesis 2 Man is the first in the order of creation, then we have plants and animals

   Genesis 1 Animals and plants fill all the earth
   Genesis 2 Animals and plants are created in Eden, an oasis into an desertic earth

   Thank you

   Si iata raspunsul:

   
   Dear Ianis:

   There was only one creation of human beings and that was Adam and Eve.
   The Torah first describes their creation in context with the six dys of creation and offers no real detail.
   Afterwards the Torah then goes back to their creation and expands on the process and the aftermath.

   Best regards,

   Rabbi Reuven Lauffer

   Evident, sunt si nu sunt multumit de raspunsul lui. El spune ca Torah nu ofera detalii reale ale crearii lui Adam si a Evei, si sunt de acord.
   Dar nu sunt de acord cu idea ca Geneza 2 ar fi o revenire si o dezvoltare pornind de la Geneza 1. Este exact teoria pe care tocmai am parasit-o
2. ianis says:

   8 septembrie 2010 la 17:27

   Am postat si pe forum pe topicul de carti dar postez si aici linkul ultimei carti a lui Ronald L Number Galileo Goes to Jail and Other Myths about Science and Religion

   Enjoy
3. study_nature says:

   8 septembrie 2010 la 18:01

   @ianis
   Chiar am sa savurez Galileo Goes to Jail…, este mult mai relevanta si mai cuprinzatoare decat credeam. Mitul #9 (That Christianity Gave Birth to Modern Science) este cel care mi-a atras atentia in cea mai mare masura, poate si pentru ca este unul dintre subiectele principale in care opinia este divergenta fata de cea a lui Edi (in contrast cu subiectele in care cele doua au coincis). Doar ca nu am avut ocazia sa aprofundez subiectul si sa contruiesc o opinie argumentata. Sper reusesc sa fac asta in urmatoarele saptamani, pornind inclusiv de la trigger-ul acesta.
   Va provoc si pe voi sa studiati si sa oferiti raspunsuri la intrebarea „A fost crestinismul la originea stiintei moderne?”
4. paul moga says:

   9 septembrie 2010 la 06:44

   Edi , la viermii paraziti care controleaza creierul , sau viespea care lasa larva in omida , mai adaug si o anumita specie de furnici care practica sclavia . Poarta razboaie , precum aztecii , special pt a obtine sclavi , pe care-i pune la munca in toate treburile . Iar daca se intimpla sa se mute colonia , sclavii isi poarta stapanii in mandibule .

   Am ajuns intelept conform cu ceea ce scrie in Proverbe 6.6 ?
   ,, Du-te la furnica lenesule . Uita-te cu bagare de seama la caile ei , si intelepteste-te !,,
   Sau poate sint mai intelept ca Solomon ( dar putin mai sarac ) , care nu dadu-se peste acest gen de furnici , in comparatie cu mine ?
5. ianis says:

   9 septembrie 2010 la 21:17

   A mai aparut o carte ce prezinta istoria creationismului stiintific/intelligent design/evolutionism:

   Evolution, Creationism, and Intelligent Design (Historical Guides to Controversial Issues in America)
   by: Allene S. Phy-Olsen

   Lucrarea aceasta o pot pune alaturi de The Creationists a lui Ronald Numbers si Saving Darwin: How to Be a Christian and Believe in Evolution
   by: Karl Giberson (care se gasesc pe forum, pe topicul de carti).
6. creatiunea a doua, a treia, a n-a marie cu alta palarie || sa salvam crestinimul in fata stiintei, reinventandu-l says:

   9 septembrie 2010 la 22:39

   “A fost crestinismul la originea stiintei moderne?”
   Nu. Inteligenta nu are nimic de-a face cu religia/”credinta” religioasa.
   Cunostinta (dorinta de a cunoaste si a cerceta universul in care traim) si gandirea critica nu se impaca cu „credinta” bibliei. Religia nu va genera niciodata progres.
7. ianis says:

   10 septembrie 2010 la 00:26

   Clovnule, nu stiu daca ai urmarit emisiunea asta
   Aici ai raspunsuri punctuale, de la edi, pentru chestiunile ridicate de tine.
8. paul moga says:

   10 septembrie 2010 la 16:28

   nu prea inteleg ce se intimpla cu postarile astea , de ce au aparut publicate altfel ?
9. ianis says:

   11 septembrie 2010 la 23:55

   O opinie ortodoxa surprinzatoare pentru mine.
   Un preot si un profesor, ambii afirmand compatibilitatea dintre stiinta si religie, intre cum a aparut universul si de ce a aparut.
   Preotul afirma ca Geneza nu este un raport literal ci prezinta etape ale creatiei, pozitie surprinzatoare, ortodoxia in general mergand pe literalismul parintilor bisericii.
10. geneza 007 || (super)natural selection says:

    12 septembrie 2010 la 01:02

    http://www.amazon.com/tag/religion/forum/ref=cm_cd_dp_rft_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx417AUXOWKSRN&cdThread=Tx9Z03TXY1HFU1

    http://libcom.org/library/wedge-document-intelligent-design-exposed

    http://www.amazon.com/tag/religion/forum/ref=cm_cd_ttp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx417AUXOWKSRN&cdThread=Tx1K373RUZGQ2HI&displayType=tagsDetail

    http://www.amazon.com/tag/religion/forum/ref=cm_cd_ttp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx417AUXOWKSRN&cdThread=Tx24EU3OAH32MB9&displayType=tagsDetail

    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/wic.html
    http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/index.html
    http://www.yoism.org/?q=node/22
    http://www.yoism.org/?q=node/212
    http://www.asa3.org/ASA/topics/history/index.html
    http://www.asa3.org/ASA/topics/Evolution/index.html
11. (super)natural selection says:

    12 septembrie 2010 la 01:32

    Encyclopedia of Earth and Space Science:
    http://www.ebook3000.com/Encyclopedia-of-Earth-and-Space-Science_68102.html

    15.Answers.to.Creationist.Nonsense (Scientific American Magazine):
    http://www.megaupload.com/?d=A77A62O2

    Why Evolution Works (and Creationism fails):
    http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6RL7OSLC

    Creationism in 20th-Century America – Ronald L. Numbers:
    http://www.megaupload.com/?d=N94DSFI3

    Stages of thought – The Co-Evolution of Religious Thought and Science:
    http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XEH6HBY3

    Where Darwin meets the Bible Creationists and Evolutionists in America:
    http://www.megaupload.com/?d=S4XX445V

    Science and Religion – Understanding the Issues:
    http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Z2PEBR2C
12. beauty and nature || (super)natural selection says:

    12 septembrie 2010 la 11:42

    Murray Gell-Mann on beauty and truth in physics [2007]:

    [romanian subtitle available]

    In timp ce adevarul ne arata ceea ce este, iar binele ne arata ceea ce trebuie sa fie, frumosul ne arata ceea ce este sub forma cum trebuie sa fie. Asa se explica multumirea pe care ne-o produce frumosul. Este o multumire sui-generis, care se deosebeste de multumirea produse de celelalte valori…
    In cazul adevarului avem multumirea de a-l fi descoperit, in cazul binelui avem multumirea de a-l fi infaptuit, fiind insa indemnati in ambele cazuri de a trece dincolo de ceea ce s-a descoperit sau realizat, in timp ce frumosul este o prezenta, oferindu-ne multumirea lucrului implinit, inchegat ca intreg, care nu se vizeaza decat pe el insusi, care ne retine, ne impaca, ne invita sa-l contemplam cu persistenta.
    L. Rusu

    
    
13. A few recommendations || (super)natural selection says:

    12 septembrie 2010 la 13:39

    * De citit

    How My Six Year Old Boy Debunked Intelligent Design
    http://www.atheistnexus.org/profiles/blogs/how-my-six-year-old-boy

    Evolution in Action: Lizard Moving From Eggs to Live Birth
    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/09/100901-science-animals-evolution-australia-lizard-skink-live-birth-eggs/

    Four Bad Arguments for God
    http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=11041
    [extra: Arguments for the Existence of God]

    A brief survey of Francis Collins’ The Language of God
    http://www.daylightatheism.org/series/the-language-of-god

    Classifying Atheists
    http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2010/08/31/classifying-atheists/
    http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/classifying-atheists-part-ii/

    10 reasons why atheism is superior to religion [m-am amuzat un pic citind astea 😉 ]
    http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=595

    The Moral Landscape: Q & A with Sam Harris
    http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/the-moral-landscape-q-a-with-sam-harris/

    Researchers have long overestimated the role our genes play in determining intelligence
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,716614,00.html
14. a few recommendations || natural selection & human intelligence says:

    12 septembrie 2010 la 13:42

    * De citit

    How My Six Year Old Boy Debunked Intelligent Design
    http://www.atheistnexus.org/profiles/blogs/how-my-six-year-old-boy

    Evolution in Action: Lizard Moving From Eggs to Live Birth
    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/09/100901-science-animals-evolution-australia-lizard-skink-live-birth-eggs/

    The Creation/Evolution Continuum
    http://libcom.org/library/creationevolution-continuum

    Four Bad Arguments for God
    http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=11041
    [extra: Arguments for the Existence of God]

    A brief survey of Francis Collins’ The Language of God
    http://www.daylightatheism.org/series/the-language-of-god

    Classifying Atheists
    http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2010/08/31/classifying-atheists/
    http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/classifying-atheists-part-ii/

    10 reasons why atheism is superior to religion [m-am amuzat un pic citind astea 😉 ]
    http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=595

    The Moral Landscape: Q & A with Sam Harris
    http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/the-moral-landscape-q-a-with-sam-harris/

    Researchers have long overestimated the role our genes play in determining intelligence
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,716614,00.html
15. a few recommendations || natural selection & human intelligence says:

    12 septembrie 2010 la 13:57

    * De vizionat

    Video Tribute to Carl Sagan (simply beautiful)
    http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=11280

    Falsifying Phylogeny II – Evolutionary Law (& Dogs don’t produce non-dogs)
    http://doctore0.wordpress.com/2010/09/11/aronra-falsifying-phylogeny-ii-evolutionary-law/

    BBC HD: Life – 10 – Primates (2009)
    http://www.streaming-madness.net/watch-online/documentary/bbc-hd-life-10-primates-2009/

    Why is the Sky Dark at Night?
    

    ScienceTV’s Channel (youtube)
    http://www.youtube.com/user/ScienceTV
    see the list of videos on this page:
    EINSTEIN’S THEORY OF RELATIVITY
    FACTS OF EVOLUTION
    FROM BIG BANG TO MAN
    STANDARD MODEL OF PARTICLE PHYSICS

    ___________________________________________
    pt. cei interesati in reviste (in special despre stiinta), va recomand un site (de tinut minte) de unde puteti descarca editiile in versiunile digitale:
    http://worldmags.net/science_related
    [Scientific American – August 2010]

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